5 bed lavish house rewire price...any thoughts?

[jayjay2324]

Hi all, first of all sorry if this thread is not in the correct section...wasn't sure?

Ok so basically its not a problem, just wanted to hear other electricians thoughts on prices for a house rewire. I've been reading a lot of threads regarding rewires, priced, in my eyes as ridiculous as 1500! bonkers!
So this chap contacts me as his house is being refurbished, 5 bed, 3 bathrooms, double storey extension, edwardian,georgian style house, solid brick house. requires chopping in etc etc, plasterer will patch n skim.

Basically he is going to town on his electrics but he seems to have a figure of 4000 stuck in his head for some reason, maybe he's been quoted by polish or indian freshies who will do a rough job and not certify it for him in which case he will not receive his building regs cert but even so its making me think again what I price. but considering what I think is a substantial job and considering what he wants I think that price is way off....i know its hard to gauge but ill try and explain the best i can. products are click mode pvc unless stated.

MAIN LOUNGE -
10 x twin s/o
2 x pendant
sky hd
coax point
bt point
2 x cat5e
3 x HDMI leads from sky/dvd/console boxes to tv point
rj59 for cctv signal
30 x 45mm led deck lights within a coving type box around the ceiling like coving. led drivers in the garage for access
4g 1w switch plate
2 x switches for led - 2 banks of 15
2 x dimmer for pendant/fancy fitting-----grid form

SECOND LOUNGE -
6 x twin s/o
1 x pendant/fancy fitting
sky hd
coax point
bt point
2 x cat5e points
rj59 for cctv signal
20 x 45mm led deck lights in coving again with led driver in garage for access#
2g switch
1 dimmer
1 switch

PORCH
4 x satin chrome main spots led lamps

HALLWAY
2 x twin s/o
9 x satin chrome mains spots led lamps
bt point
thermostat
hallway lights switch from 4 places, intermediates etc

OFFICE
4 x satin spots led lamps
4 x twin s/o
bt point
all cctv ran here to dvr
all cat5e ran here to patch panel

KITCHEN
no plans yet bu the kitchen is costing them 15k so im presuming they will want to go to town in here also. I know they want coax,rj59,sky hd, spots, plynth lights, under cabinet leds etc etc

UTILITY
cooker supply
3 x twin s/o
extractor hood
1 x pendant

GARAGE
4 x twin s/o
2 x 4ft twin vapour proof fluorescent

DOWNSTAIRS W/C
2 x satin spots
1 x fan + timer + isolator switch
pullcord

LANDING
13 x led satin spots led lamps
2 x twin s/o
10 x led decking lights on ceiling following stairwell for mood lighting again led driver in garage switch from hallway/landing

MASTER BEDROOM
8 x twin s/o
1 x fancy fitting
2 x fancy bedside lights, not wall lights, hanging from ceiling switched by bed
2 x cat5e
coax point
rj59 for cctv signal
sky hd

3 x BATHROOMS
all having 4'' fans inc timer and isolator switches
shaver sockets
6/8 satin led d/l enclosed fittings
mirror lights
1 bathroom to have electric shower, other 2 having mixers

other 4 bedrooms
pendants each
coax point each
4 x twin s/o each
2 to have wall lights

LOFT SUPPLY
1 x twin socket
light spur off s/o
1 pendant

CCTV
4 x day/night cameras
30day dvr
with rj59 signals ran to point mentioned so can watch cameras on tv

ALARM
8 x PIRs
2 x bell box
2 x keypads

OUTSIDE GARDEN LIGHTING
FRONT - to have 3 x up/down chrome light fittings via switch and 2 x 400w pir security lights with manual override sw
REAR - to have 2 x 400w pir security lights with manual override, 30 led decking lights in decking,driver ion garage, and 4 x post lights, all to be switches indoors about 25m swa

2 x w/p twin s/o in rear garden about 20m swa


REAR GARAGE
just to supply with 6mod board, 63a rcd main switch
60m 16mm 3core swa inc gland pack n 20 cleats but nothing to wire inside yet.

supply to run for electric gate as well. about 30m

so there's a lot there, again, I've missed a few bits out as even I started to get bored! lol So if you made it this far I really appreciate it, please let me know what you experienced gents think....I will tell you my thoughts if asked but Id like to know what you think. Look forward to reading replies :8:

sorry forgot to add, 2 new split dual boards, smokes and heats etc also,
kmf or 100a/80a fused switch feeding new board positions and for isolation of boards if required.

 

[Octopus]

and he wants to pay £4K, don't waste any time on it.

More like £8 to £10

 

[DJ Ovengloves]

Try putting down WHAT YOU THINK and maybe you will get some replies. No one here will run your business for you.

 

[Johnny-G]

....I will tell you my thoughts if asked

What are your thoughts then?

 

[telectrix]

10K. min. IMO.

 

[jayjay2324]

What are your thoughts then?

Good point!
He kept nagging me asking what I think and told him I never give ball park figures off the top of my head but he kept insisting. I said your looking at 7k AT LEAST from off the top of my head ......and obviously more if he decides he wants fancy sockets and switches. Which is when he said i was thinking more like 4k.
I'm not going to price him based on the responses I get here but just intrigued to how other sparks would price this and would it vary depending on where they are from around the country.

 

[dan86]

if he has a figure of 4k or there abouts and ain't gonna budge, walk away. quite easily double that I'd have thought.
but I'd like to know what figure You have in mind since you've seen the place.

 

[Gc2 electric]

Around the 10 k plus for me.. 4k wouldn't get him half of that.

 

[telectrix]

and he wants to pay £4K, don't waste any time on it.

More like £8 to £10

at those prices, murdoch, you can come and sub for me.

 

[dan86]

also, outs curiousity- how long do you anticipate the job will take and are you doing it single handedly?

 

[jayjay2324]

realistically I think first fix would take me 2-3 weeks if I did it alone, its a fairly large house and second fix another 2 weeks

 

[mayfair]

Walk away...fast IMO blokes a chancer

 

[telectrix]

typical rich git - wants a rolls royce for the price of a ford escort.

 

[7029 dave]

Pass it bye. I smell trouble.

 

[telectrix]

realistically I think first fix would take me 2-3 weeks if I did it alone, its a fairly large house and second fix another 2 weeks

i'd say more like 6 weeks in all, that's £6000 labour to start with.

 

[Badfish]

4K!!!!! Must be taking the pi$$. Double it and add some more . Then add materials on top.

 

[garysparky1]

Hi jayjay, I've completed an 8 bedroom 5 bathroom rewire with lamp circuits sky hd, phone ext, led downlights, cooker circuit outside pirs SWA to pavilion. the original price for basic rewire was 11500 but the way it goes is the customer sometimes adds things on so started in April the main rewire was 8 weeks but kitchen was bespoke so ring was completed in august/sept and still going back to do extras now total around 18000 for 2 sparks & mate

 

[garysparky1]

Hi jayjay, I've completed an 8 bedroom 5 bathroom rewire with lamp circuits sky hd, phone ext, led downlights, cooker circuit outside pirs SWA to pavilion. the original price for basic rewire was 11500 but the way it goes is the customer sometimes adds things on so started in April the main rewire was 8 weeks but kitchen was bespoke so ring was completed in august/sept and still going back to do extras now total around 18000 for 2 sparks & mate

 

[Geordie Spark]

Good point!
He kept nagging me asking what I think and told him I never give ball park figures off the top of my head but he kept insisting. I said your looking at 7k AT LEAST from off the top of my head ......and obviously more if he decides he wants fancy sockets and switches. Which is when he said i was thinking more like 4k.
I'm not going to price him based on the responses I get here but just intrigued to how other sparks would price this and would it vary depending on where they are from around the country.

I'm guessing this "Client" is a solicitor, accountant or doctor.

Work out your price, then double it and when he twists drop it a bit like you're doing him a big favour. If he still twists knock it down a bit more if he pays 50% up front, and just play him for the mug he thinks you are.

 

[simpson93]

if he isnt happy with your quote offer him to do it on day rate ^^, makes him see how long it will actually take and any extras pay for themselves without trouble.

 

[amlu]

will do it for 3k... plus materials cost. 1.5k in materials very very rough estimate.
2 weeks 8 till 6 works get a mate on a day rate to do hard work.

£8000 having a laugh in east london cowboy land :-(

 

[Dipzy]

5-6 weeks 12k paaji ;-)

 

[Knobhead]

£287-17/6¼d. Not a penny less.

It’s you’re business, if you can’t run it get out.

 

[Rampantchilli]

if you say its 6 weeks work then quote him what you think you need for 6 weeks work. tell him to pay for materials, you order from your supplier who collects payment on delivery, supplier adds 15% to your usual price, then they credit your account with the 15%. totally legal and legit way of supplying materials, you dont take a risk on not getting paid for materials.
you then set out exactly what your quote is for and stipulate what your rates are for extras.

i didnt read all the list, but from the length of it id say more than 6 weeks work, 9k plus for total cost including the materials

 

[Johnuk]

4k for all that work I would walk away, u would not make anything, and am sure he will change things around like they do. am sure the polish guys will do it for 3 k lol

 

[telectrix]

I'm guessing this "Client" is a solicitor, accountant or doctor.

Work out your price, then double it and when he twists drop it a bit like you're doing him a big favour. If he still twists knock it down a bit more if he pays 50% up front, and just play him for the mug he thinks you are.

if he's a solicitor, quote hourly rate of £175.

 

[Dcf]

That's a 10 to 12k job I reckon .
if the lad has his heart set on 4 walk away
it reeks of heartache that you do not need

 

[mayfair]

Hope your joking at 3k and 2 weeks . if not i hope they have only let you out for a weekend !!!!

will do it for 3k... plus materials cost. 1.5k in materials very very rough estimate.
2 weeks 8 till 6 works get a mate on a day rate to do hard work.

£8000 having a laugh in east london cowboy land :-(

 

[Geordie Spark]

if he's a solicitor, quote hourly rate of £175.

The week before last, mine hit me with a bill for £240 for modifying my Will ...Only changed one paragraph a little bit.

Yesterday, he retired !

I think I've just contributed to his retirement fund !!!!

 

[telectrix]

i refused to pay mine when he said he couldn't fix it for me to leave my overdraft to the ex.

 

[Paul.M]

4K for all that! He's having a laugh.

I'm doing a job next week for a 5 bedroom/bedsit. Each with own supply (4 x 10mm, 1 x 16mm T&E) and each with there own token meter (supplied) and on their own 6 way CU. 4-6 skts in each, 1 or 2 lights on a one way, cooker point (plug top only) and one room has a 7.5Kw shower and I'm charging £3.5k with materials (without the shower)

The builder says (and I've got it in writing) that he will rip out any walls I need, box in any cables that I need and repair all walls and floor boards as he is doing a good amount of work in each room. Just short of two weeks work with a mate for 3-4 days on first fix.

£4k.......... walk away and do some other quotes for people that understand the value of our trade and skills. He's probably spent more than £4k on a TV and laptop! Your work increases the value of his house by about £12k-£15k!!!!!



PS The builder has paid me half the money up front because this is the first time I've worked for him. Cover your back mate.

 

[UNG]

Makes you wonder what budget the client has got the builder on

By the time you factor in the associated "Wouldn't it be nice if variations" from the client the extras could come to more than £4K

Pricing this job would require such a detailed quotation to ensure you don't get shafted is it worth it if you do take it on at the right price get a triplicate book and any variations or extras are noted in it with date and time and signed for by the client these should by priced and the client informed of any cost increase or savings as you go when the client signs for the variation give them a copy but make sure you keep the signed original just in case there are any arguments over getting paid and it goes legal

 

[egginyourface]

I'm doing one at the mo, very similar to this except pendants in most rooms, spotlights in some rooms. Wire and labour, spots and white switches about 18k+ extras.

jobs like this are a lot if hassle. Builders don't drop ceilings to save money, then decide to drop when they realise the ceilings are crap. We then have to go back measure up spot positions, rewire some cables as some fool has damaged them.

Glad we over priced to compensate for headaches we get from these job.

 

[egginyourface]

Had enough if this sort if work. Builders getting greedy and think you owe them!!!

How I see is they owe me for agreeing to take on there job and work around them

 

[pete555]

£1,200 I,m eastern European can I have your clients address

 

[Spoon]

The week before last, mine hit me with a bill for £240 for modifying my Will ...Only changed one paragraph a little bit

Was that to add me to your will? Your a good lad...

 

[telectrix]

careful, spoon. you might inherit tidyboiler. :30:

 

[Spoon]

careful, spoon. you might inherit tidyboiler. :30:

Good point... Geordie.... pal, buddy, chum, can you take us off your will....

 

[Geordie Spark]

careful, spoon. you might inherit tidyboiler. :30:

He could do a lot worse than Tidyboiler she's a great lass to have around.

She thinks just like a bloke, acts just like a bloke and is a stunning looking lass.

 

[Spoon]

He could do a lot worse than Tidyboiler she's a great lass to have around.

She thinks just like a bloke, acts just like a bloke and is a stunning looking lass.

Sounds like my missus..

 

[tidyboiler]

careful, spoon. you might inherit tidyboiler. :30:

I wouldn't wish tidyboiler on anyone!!!!! It's a miracle Geordie has put up with her for 6 years and counting! :rockon2:

 

[tidyboiler]

He could do a lot worse than Tidyboiler she's a great lass to have around.

She thinks just like a bloke, acts just like a bloke and is a stunning looking lass.

Blimey Geordie, they will think I've got a shaved head, a pitbull, comfy shoes or I'm a social worker! Even worse, they may think I'm from Sunderland!

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Good point!
He kept nagging me asking what I think and told him I never give ball park figures off the top of my head but he kept insisting. I said your looking at 7k AT LEAST from off the top of my head ......and obviously more if he decides he wants fancy sockets and switches. Which is when he said i was thinking more like 4k.
I'm not going to price him based on the responses I get here but just intrigued to how other sparks would price this and would it vary depending on where they are from around the country.

be really careful now wont you...

i mean dont be giving him any design/spec stuff you draw up...such as CSA of cables & proposed runs etc....
dont you show him anything like that until you know you have the job....
otherwise he will just take all that effort you have made to the poles....

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[Spoon]

otherwise he will just take all that effort you have made to the poles..

Is his customer an explorer...

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Is his customer an explorer...

yes he is....

sounds like he is on an odyssay to get the meanest quote....

£4000....what a pis take...

 

[mayfair]

Oi whats up with being from Sunderland Tidy

 

[jayjay2324]

Alrite gents! Sorry I kind of deserted my own thread after I wrote a few comments but my little cousin sister decided she wanted to see if my laptop was waterproof! dumbasss, bless her. lol

Ok so i've read all your comments and and your all right in what your saying. He thinks hes clever, thinks his flush with his 13 plate merc, and basically wants it for peanuts. It took me 3 days to go through the list and work out what the job requires material wise and labour and grand total so far was...da da da daaaaaaa....£11,800.
doesnt include
-kitchen 2nd fix (spots,leds etc) but does include s/o to a limit of 10
-cctv cameras or dvr but includes wiring
- electric shower but wiring is included
- up/down lights but wiring is included
- rear garden post lights but wiring is included
- underfloor heating

figured it would take me 7 weeks 6 days a week

told him and he said he would have to think about it and he will get back to me by the end of the week. Then the cheeky c**t asked me for the materials list and breakdown. lol i couldnt stop laughing and told him i wouldnt be willing to do that as i had spent 2 afternoons with him and his wife going through everything and my time after working everything out for him to just pass it to another company. I Cant believe the cheek of some people. people just dont want to pay atm, they just think its a case of chucking some wires in and screw a switch back. ****es me off.....i think as some of you have said already...it may pay to give this 1 a knock on the head.

sorry for the rant! :32::32:

 

[dan86]

I'd give Him a knock on the head tbh

 

[Pete999]

Agree walk away, my son worked for a chancer like your guy, not worth the hastle, walk away renee

 

[UNG]

Alrite gents! Sorry I kind of deserted my own thread after I wrote a few comments but my little cousin sister decided she wanted to see if my laptop was waterproof! dumbasss, bless her. lol

Ok so i've read all your comments and and your all right in what your saying. He thinks hes clever, thinks his flush with his 13 plate merc, and basically wants it for peanuts. It took me 3 days to go through the list and work out what the job requires material wise and labour and grand total so far was...da da da daaaaaaa....£11,800.
doesnt include
-kitchen 2nd fix (spots,leds etc) but does include s/o to a limit of 10
-cctv cameras or dvr but includes wiring
- electric shower but wiring is included
- up/down lights but wiring is included
- rear garden post lights but wiring is included
- underfloor heating

figured it would take me 7 weeks 6 days a week

told him and he said he would have to think about it and he will get back to me by the end of the week. Then the cheeky c**t asked me for the materials list and breakdown. lol i couldnt stop laughing and told him i wouldnt be willing to do that as i had spent 2 afternoons with him and his wife going through everything and my time after working everything out for him to just pass it to another company. I Cant believe the cheek of some people. people just dont want to pay atm, they just think its a case of chucking some wires in and screw a switch back. ****es me off.....i think as some of you have said already...it may pay to give this 1 a knock on the head.

sorry for the rant! :32::32:

Don't believe he's got money by the house he lives in and what he has got parked on the drive. He may be clever because he is using some one else's money to buy it and living beyond his means but that is how the country is in the mess it is in now people living on easy money with no means of repaying it